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Jody Voyles 
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| 09/26/2008 10:22 AM |
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I have a couple questions concerning rules also. I remember at the beginning of the year , there were some concerns for both Modified and Easy and expected ETs and parity of classes.
I thought the outcome said there would be parity or rules would be changed or cars would have to change classes, I also saw it written that Modified Street was an entry level class into Heads Up with NO Index, ORSCA would do it what it takes to keep it that way.
This is where my questions come in,
First- If the expected ets were 5.50s for modified and 5.10-5.20s for EZ , then when do you plan to adjust.
Second- Parity, If two or three cars out run the field by 2 tenths, should you do something to even it up
Third- If a class is designed as entry level, should top level data acquisition be allowed, should the cars be towed to and from the track, dry sump oiling systems allowed, enforce current rules of no progressives, no timers, 440 ci limit.
With all that being said, I did voice my opinion when this class was being originated, it was ignored. I understand racing isnt fair, but can it be contained-ABSOLUTELY- I expressed some concerns to both tech guys and now here. I believe current direction of Modified Street has hurt car counts, and with teh right rules and enforcement the class could be one of the most successful, many racers have expressed my same view, and hope for a class designated for entry level and a tuners class.
i think to get a handle on it now, Add 100 pds to any car that runs 5.38 or faster on 2 passes at any event,remain that weight . If the same car runs 5.38 or faster again, add 100 pds more. Do not allow towing to and from track every pass, an occasional tow to check tune up or whatever is ok.
Rule enforcement with the help of some racers. Which means inspecting inside and out of cars, checking for multiple kits, and checking for progressives, . A pump would be good but the weight addition should take care of that. I know I will upset a few but This could really help the class. PS If ORSCA has given up on this class for this year or next, Please feel free to let us know... JV |
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ez429
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| 09/26/2008 3:51 PM |
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I'm not tring to be rude but that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If ORSCA wanted a 5.50 index class that's what they would have started. I belive that ORSCA wants ms going 30's and ez running 5.00s and a few 4.90s. Limited running 4.80s and a few 70s. That's around 3 tenths bettween all the classes for the top runners. I have to know I haven't seen you gripe about much through the years so what causes the questions Jody? I'm just wondering. I agree tech the cars and make sure everyone is on the same playing field and see how fast they can go.
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Dustin11
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| 09/26/2008 5:19 PM |
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I agree 5.30's is a little steep for entry level but these guys have figured out how to make a plate run 5.30's so don't punish them. Parker/Mac and Mo Money have raised the bar and Scrimsher is getting a handle on his. All of them have worked hard to get there and so should the others. |
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| 09/26/2008 7:15 PM |
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job well done to stacy, brian, kevin, richard and some others for working all year long figuring out how to get to the other end faster. at the march race we quailfied second at 5.62, didn't make another race till this one and guess what, we qualified seventh at 5.60 and was glad to get it. we didn't do what it takes to go faster. we are running an 8.2 deck, 302 based motor at 364 inches, no complaints though, we know the class rules. our car runs well for what it is, never know, might get lucky. hate we broke saturday nite and couldn't show sunday, think we could have run some fiftys, maybe better. i believe the rules are pretty close as they are but may need minor tweaking at some point because i see some twenty's or quicker from this same group. we need 16+ car fields so discussion on how to to draw more cars, yes. penalizing the fastest cars, no! what will it take? hope to see you in montgomery! MS347 |
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Monte Smith
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| 09/26/2008 8:51 PM |
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I can't speak for Brian Murphy or Reagan, but I know for a fact that Stacy Parker and Kevin Scrimsher, are running basically the same tune up they started the year with. The improvements have come with fine tuning that particular tune up and getting the car down the track more efficiently. Better shocks, better converters, whatever it takes to maximize the on hand power. You don't penalize a man for working hard and wringing the most from his combo. M/S may be an entry level class, but nowhere has it ever been said that entry level and inexpensive were the same thing.
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ThomasB
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| 09/26/2008 9:00 PM |
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Jody, I agree totally with you on this subject. This was supposed to be a entry level heads up class that the normal working stiff could afford. I noticed several things at Huntsville this past weekend that needs reviewed on this class. 1- The suspension was supposed to be stock with bolt on items only. One of the top cars this weekend had a wishbone welded to the rearend housing. I would think in the spirit of the rules this would mean replacement a-arms, shocks, upper and lower control arms only? 2- The rules state that weight would be added if the heads were not convential style valve layouts, the top three cars to the best of my knowledge should weigh a minimum of 3300 lbs, 100 added for the heads? These are not convential with exotic valve angles? 3- This is supposed to be street cars, drive them to staging lanes and across the scales, tow vehicles are in the way in staging and slows the races down in my opinion. Personally all classes should have to drive them to and from the track. This is ridiculous to have tow vehicles in staging! M/S street cars all have radiators so why tow them back? 4- I think that the class should not be allowed any of these fancy electronics, this includes the MSD 7531. Make all cars have a MSD 6AL only and retards.
This will show the class down? Put the drving and tuning back in the cars and not some electronic gadget that anybody with computer knowledge can tune. 5- Put a spec nitrious jet on the cars, All competitors have the same size pills on the cars. It is a shame that somebody would spend $30,000+ in a motor to run for $1200. As always something good will be killed before it has a chance to be good. |
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Jody Voyles
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| 09/26/2008 9:13 PM |
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Well you are rude when you critisize what I wrote, and you didnt even understand what was stated. I never said anything about 5.50 index. I said ORSCA said that was where they expected the ets to be. My suggestion was to add weight for those going faster than a 5.38. I do not want to penalize anyone for going fast, but IF THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO IT IS SPEND MORE MONEY THAN ANYONE ELSE TO BE FASTER, then that is where I have a problem. SInce you cannot limit how much money a person is willing to spend. An organization has to start somewhere. By the way If the only way a person can win is to outspend his componet or cheat, Then they have not won anything worth winning. I have earned (WINS) in a whole shit pile of races by being competitive, working hard, and racing in a class with rules to keep the competition level. Thats what I read this particular class was all about. NOT outlaw 10.5 run what you brung. If one racer continues to pile money in there car, that either forces the rest of the class to spend the same, or be satisfied with losing. Well I dont want to race for second or third and I cant keep up with someone spending 60,000 + to win $1500. When the cost to race is a min $700, if you dont hurt anything. So I posted a suggestion because something needs to be done. The majority of MS cars are not safe enough to be running ets 5.30 @135+ with no window net and a 10 point cage. So dont get me confused, Im all for going fast and racing hard but some classes should be kept on a leash. Maybe there is a better suggestion to better the class, This is just mine. JV |
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| 09/26/2008 10:40 PM |
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| I hear what your saying but this is the nature of the beast. Heads up racing will always end up being about money, but I would have to say that this is an excellent class because it is so restricted. With these restrictions comes alot of responsibility for tight tech. |
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Monte Smith
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| 09/27/2008 2:44 AM |
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Posted By ThomasB on 09/26/2008 9:00 PM
Jody, I agree totally with you on this subject. This was supposed to be a entry level heads up class that the normal working stiff could afford. I noticed several things at Huntsville this past weekend that needs reviewed on this class. 1- The suspension was supposed to be stock with bolt on items only. One of the top cars this weekend had a wishbone welded to the rearend housing. I would think in the spirit of the rules this would mean replacement a-arms, shocks, upper and lower control arms only? 2- The rules state that weight would be added if the heads were not convential style valve layouts, the top three cars to the best of my knowledge should weigh a minimum of 3300 lbs, 100 added for the heads? These are not convential with exotic valve angles? 3- This is supposed to be street cars, drive them to staging lanes and across the scales, tow vehicles are in the way in staging and slows the races down in my opinion. Personally all classes should have to drive them to and from the track. This is ridiculous to have tow vehicles in staging! M/S street cars all have radiators so why tow them back? 4- I think that the class should not be allowed any of these fancy electronics, this includes the MSD 7531. Make all cars have a MSD 6AL only and retards.
This will show the class down? Put the drving and tuning back in the cars and not some electronic gadget that anybody with computer knowledge can tune. 5- Put a spec nitrious jet on the cars, All competitors have the same size pills on the cars. It is a shame that somebody would spend $30,000+ in a motor to run for $1200. As always something good will be killed before it has a chance to be good. Parker, Scrimsher and Reagan carry 100 extra lbs for the heads they have. They weigh 3300lbs. Murphy's car has inline Buick heads, but I think he also has to carry an extra 100lbs. Rakestraw ran in the 30s last year with 18 degree heads and leafs at 3200. The top cars have picked up .07 from last year and they should have. Last year was the first year and now these guys have had a year to beat on stuff and figure it out...... These guys could also easily drive the cars to and from the lanes, but why. Whether you tow the car or not, has no effect on performance, but if you can, you do it, so as not to build uneeded heat and to get a better read on the plugs. Taking away the 7531 box won't slow down anybody. If you change the rules, the guys that are at the top now, will remain at the top. Different ignition boxes and spec jets, will only put the top guys further out front. Kevin's motor is only a touch over 400 inches, it runs good because he has put in the time to learn how to tune it. Maybe the class is faster than ORSCA thought it would be, but everybody was checked closely at valdosta and to my knowledge, every car was 100% legal. These guys are flying on plates and I think it speaks well of their abilities to go this fast. High dollar motors and all the power in the world is no good if you can't figure out how to get it down the track, these guys have. I think this is a cool class and I enjoy watching what these guys can do.
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Giant Killer
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| 09/27/2008 9:48 AM |
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Give it up Jody no one will listen. The high 30's can be done ($$$$$ Entry Level HA ). But my ???? is how many have had the motors check! What about progressives ?? I looked at the times damn ya'll(some) are flying, But I quess thats Outlaw If your cheating and don't get caught then it's not cheating HEHE Now Go spend that hard earned $$$$$ you have buried in the back
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Giant Killer
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| 09/27/2008 10:00 AM |
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Mewborn keep your azz in ez this is ms.
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houston393
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| 09/27/2008 10:40 AM |
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My name is Stacy Parker i drive M/S 1670 the black lx that went that .31 and Ive sit here and read this bull long enough if yall are to chicken to tell some of us that we cheating to our face then i guess yall will be a puss for the rest of your life .Grow some nuts and confront us at the track and anybody is welcome to look for what ever yall want to look for on this car. We got lucky and built a fast motor but don't start telling us are any one else that they are cheating until you have the balls look.This car is built by the rules we can't help it that you can't do the same. |
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Giant Killer
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| 09/27/2008 11:05 AM |
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No nut hugging here. thats hauling . just keep doing what your doing. with Monte tuning maybe 20's
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| 09/27/2008 12:21 PM |
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Even though we run in EZ, I have to agree with Monte. What a cool class ms has become!! Success breeds envy Stacy P. you boyz keep workin hard and let her eat. I watched the guys over in Stacys pits change the tranny twice between rounds at SGMP. They don't seem to let anything get them down as well as the other top guys in the class. From what I have seen of that combo it doesn't realy seem to be an outragous over the top combo. Just what hard work accomplishes.
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434stang
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| 09/27/2008 1:00 PM |
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I'm not trying to take anything away from the guys that can run 30's but Jody is right. Yall have those cars on a string and a near unlimited budget to go with it. This is the same thing that happened in 10.5, limited and ez, those with the big bucks can run away with it. Average Joe cant afford to replace transmissions two or three times in a weekend, But there is nothing in the rules that says you can spend only x amount of dollars.All I know is if I had the money to spend, I would get in a class that would be more of a challange.
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Monte Smith
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| 09/27/2008 4:44 PM |
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Did some of you miss the part where Rakestraw went high 5.30s last year, with an ancient set of 18* heads and on leaf springs. Instead of worrying about what everybody else is doing, you should be trying to get everything out of your own combo. Stacy and Reagan have nice cylinder heads and well built shortblocks, but they are definitely nothing exotic. That stuff Murphy has is 15 years old. Kevin put some used Blue Thunder heads on his same shortblock that last year had twisted wedge heads. These guys test and have figured it out. As far as progressives, they were all checked at Valdosta. Can't speak for others, but Stacy is leaving straight up on his plate and controlling it with timing. Just a matter of figuring it out. Anyone else can do the same.
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Jody Voyles
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| 09/27/2008 5:01 PM |
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I did not come on here to name names. I did offer some suggestions, that i thought would benenfit me and other racers who have expressed the same concerns. Maybe I was wrong to suggest adding weight based on ets and maybe the weight should be added to combos instead. A conventional headed engine can not run with these canted valve headed engines, so maybe ORSCA should let the 23 degree stuff run at 3100 or put the canted valves at 3400 lbs and 18 degree and under run at 3300 lbs. Next, I have always appreciated hard work and going fast. I have congratulated several of you after a run, or after a race or whatever. I always shake hands and wish my opponet good luck at each race. No one in this class has come up to me. TO you Monte, obviously you got this nitrous plate figured out and much success can be attributed to you. Kevin has had some awesome 60 ft times and runs hard out the back. Richard has had some 1.18 60s also, My hats off. However That does not change the fact that the class is a little lopsided. The cars have not been properly checked for 2nd sytems, progressives, or timers. I know some guys are not using progressives because of the 6o ft times. However the engines have not been pumped, no one has thouroughly checked the rest of the car. At SGMP there was a quick check but anyone could have easily passed that. As to you Stacy Parker, I have not accused you of cheating, nor would I, Your car just like any in this class should be open for inspection and if something were found then you offer explination. However my nuts are where they belong and I have no problem bringing up a question to you or whomever. I did state that some individuals have outspent the class. I have been told your engine combo is top dollar 30+, which is way out of line in comparison to the rest of the class, considering the electronics to go with it. ie Racepak, MSD 7531, Nitrous,and Misc. But I am not knocking you personally, you have worked hard and spent the money to win, my hat is off to you. But this does not change the fact that you have out spent the class and pushed it to a new higher level. you are not the only one, so I did not use your name . As far as last year compared to this, no comparison Ryan Rakestraw went a 5.38 at 126 or 127 mph. 119 60 ft@ 50 degrees. This year the ets are low 5.30s in the heat... Also Stacys combo only had 1.30 60s and has been 135 mph which is far more than last year in cool weather. What will happen if he goes 1.20 60 fts...... Then there is definately trouble.. Anyway I just tried to express some of my issues, Not trying to pick a fight or call anyone out, Remember we are all faced with opposition. JV
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| 09/27/2008 6:09 PM |
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Posted By Jody Voyles on 09/27/2008 5:01 PM A conventional headed engine can not run with these canted valve headed engines,
With the current rules, I don't believe this is correct.
You have one conventional head <15 degree that is running 5.35 at 3250.
There are 15+ degree head combos that will run that fast at 3200.
I can guarantee it....
The rules are pretty fair as written.
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ThomasB
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| 09/27/2008 6:23 PM |
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| If the et's are not keep in check, M/S will die just like the rest of the classes have been suffering. I can remember the first 10.5 race where they had enough cars to run a second chance race, even seen just about as many in the EZ Street class. All head up classes are suffering car count and it is not just the economy. Why spend $500 ti $1000 a weekend when a person does not have a chance to win. I am not knocking any one or even calling any one a cheat. Have all cars inspected in staging by all competitors in that class. In essence, let the racers in each class police themselves. I have been tryin to build a M/S car myself and will most likely show up at Montgomery to try my luck. I can possibly run 50's with my new motor this week, but that will be about it. Not trying to bust someone for being the best at what they do, just trying to help a class survive and have good car count. Last but not least, how long do you think ORSCA will keep a class and pay good money if competitors stop running this class? My question also, has this class had a full 16 at any of the races so far this year? Car count puts spectators in the stands and pays the bill's for ORSCA. Spectators like to see good side by side racing. PRO MOD use to be a great class to watch, but spectators and promotors got tired on 2 or 3 making it down the track and the remainder just filling the field. Like Jody stated, inspect the cars and if everyone is completely legal, then so be it, I will put my car back on the street and run the 6's class with my other car as years past. |
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| 09/27/2008 8:14 PM |
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Posted By Giant Killer on 09/27/2008 11:05 AM
No nut hugging here. thats hauling . just keep doing what your doing. with Monte tuning maybe 20's
My hero , where you been? comming back to spank sum a$$ like you used to do Bob? |
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| 09/27/2008 9:25 PM |
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| I think its only fair to make Mr. Parker add a second set of floor pans, thats what ORSCA did to the fastest limited street car in the class in 2006. Thats what I would do but you aint gotta listen to me. I got a nother idea everybody quit spending money on all these hot rod golf carts and four wheelers and put the money in the car instead of trying to cruize around the track in style. The fastest man in the class has a plain jain four wheeler but the car sure does run like a raped ape. Maybe the rest of the class should talk Stacy into getting a nice golf cart that way he would spend more time polishing it instead of worrying about the car. It is what it is. |
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| 09/27/2008 11:10 PM |
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Hey drew get back to work. I am willing to bet that Stacy has less in his car than some of the slower cars it's all about testing,testing and more testing.
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houston393
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| 09/28/2008 1:21 PM |
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| It don't get faster sittn in the trailer till next race .Gotta try something even if it slows down that way u know what won't work. |
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| 09/28/2008 10:24 PM |
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| Tellum Stacey I know besides Mr. Stack I test more than any other ez street car out there |
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| 09/29/2008 7:47 AM |
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| Not knocking Stacey's ride but they have spent the money in the right places. Not to turn the car into a show piece but to a fast racecar. It also don't hurt that Stacey Parker and Dustin Mewburn's engine builder has been perfecting this nos single carb since early 90's. As far as testing nearly every test session i've been to this year that little black hatchback has been there. The only reason for the fuss is there are people that are cheating with more than one kit and they can't run with them. Tech has checked him in staging lanes right before making a mid .30s pass. If you want to run faster than him test, test, test, test! Can't wait to see what they say about the new EZ car. |
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| 09/29/2008 5:32 PM |
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| reagans car is open to inspection anytime, you can pump our motor ,check for proggs.or anything eles. we ran .60s when we started last year,but we tested ,tried different things, some worked ,some didnt.we ran low .40s by the end of last year through hard work not by cheating. oh and we never have had a 1.18 60ft either.dont be pick n on us ,we" ve not been to a final all year.LOL!!! |
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| 09/29/2008 7:34 PM |
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It is about testing and preperation. The top cars test. Can't say about Reagan because he is not local, but Kevin, Stacy and Brian test a lot. I had to be at Steele one day not too long ago with an out of town customer, Stacy came there. How many others had a look at their motor and trans during the long break..Stacy did. I would bet some others sat in the trailer or shop for two months. Success usually follows the well prepared. As stated above, it is not a show piece, but it has good parts. Had problems controlling the frontend early in the year. Won a race, bought better struts. Could have bought some flashy new spindle mounts or something like that, but it needed the struts more. Yeah, it has a data logger, but any serious car should. A base RacePak is $1500. That is no money in the big picture. Like Drew says, some guys have 5 times that in their golfcarts.
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| There will alway be people who don't test and make a converter change just to see if there is anything there. They would rather sit here bitching tring to get the rules changed so the can be the man. Don't try to get the rules changed to fit your car. Build your car to the max of the rules or the max you can afford and test and test some more learn your car and you will be competive. I have always been an under dog in ez but you don't see me on here telling ORSCA to kick out all big blocks and turbos so I can rule ez. I just test ans work my ass off to try to be in the front of the pack. There is always some who want some thing for nothing instead of working for it. I get so tired of hearing people cry about this shit. If you would like the same combo as Stacy and Martin then do what they did call Bennett Racing @1-800-240-race and tell them you want to buy the same motor they will sell you one just like it. Then call Mr. Monte Smith and buy the fastest plate out there and then if you can drive as good as Stacy go win some races. |
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Jody Voyles
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| 09/29/2008 9:32 PM |
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Okay Okay, I get it. I expressed my opinion to identify what i saw was a possible problem( with a suggestion to help fix) I understand some people do not want to hear that. I liked the idea of the class and followed along from the beggining, I had hoped The class would have started differently. However, I had a car in a different class and did not know the route I planned to take. By the way with that car I am willing to bet I raced at more races over a 3 year spand then most have raced in 10 years. With testing almost every inch of that car, and rebuilding it 3 times. But thats not really the point. I sold that car and planned to give up racing a while and spend more time with My wife and 2 young girls... I fully restored a 55 T-Bird with the help of a few friends and Pops and planned on doing a few cruise ins. Then I got the itch and gave in and Pops and I built this car in 3 months, Top to bottom 25-5 , we did it all Engine, Headers, suspension, interior, Chassis,paint-body,... It started out as a cheap quick 6.0 car to stock suspended have some fun with it. And a lot more money tooooo. Since then Ive been through 3 converters, 3 Tire sizes, Back through trans 3 times,2nd set of pistons, couple sets of cometic gaskets, 2 intakes, Edelbrock fogger, NOS Big shot to start, Then Nos crossbar,then to NX titan plate, Now to A wilson crossbar plate, I have personally called Monte for Info, I have personally talked with almost everyone I know for information regarding converter, gear nitrous, and engine combinations, just picking their brains and trying to learn a little. I like to test and I like to race and most of the time I end up trying to do it at thesame time ( it never works) I will always try something different or go back and work harder next time, So for those of you who are accusing me of that your wrong. I am not one to stand aside and complain, I do not want special treatment, I have never cheated, I have built the car to conform to the rules and safety of the speeds,I will continue to work hard at anything I do, I do believe for working for what you get, AND I have worked hard for every thing I have, Thank God for the ability, and I assure you because I asked for someone to evaluate the class does not mean I am giving up. .. I am pulling trans back out and trying another New PTC converter... Put me in a class where the rules are balanced and I will promise the class will have its hand full WIn Lose or Draw... Thats all on this for me
PS There was never anything personal to anyone, also Reagan metioned to me , while I was asking for (help) he had been a best of 118 or 119 60.. I have been 1.22 and front half the track very well but just cant run out the back ....Yet JV |
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| 09/30/2008 7:03 AM |
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| 09/30/2008 12:07 PM |
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| Let me start out saying that I dont have a dog in this fight, and can't say I agree or disagree with Jody or anybody's opinion about your rules, not that it would matter anyway. But I will say that when somone questions Jody Voyles dediction and or his commitment to what ever class he runs in I feel compeled to speak up. Jody has probably won more races then any 4 of the people who run this class although it wasn't in M/S, none the less it shows nothing but hard work and dedication. I dont mean any disrespect to Any of you but its rediculous to question his willingness to work for his success. I only know Jody from talking and seeing him at the track, and the fact that every race we raced in 2001 to 2006 he was there and damn near won them all. Not to mention reading about the 6.0 races he won that we didnt attend . Like he said he was only trying to have a discussion about REAL issues that alot of the times turn into real PROBLEMS .. Anyway I believe alot of you used to run E/Z and dropped back to M/S because you could not cut the mustard and im sure that when Ressy cup was woppen up on ya'll none of you were, as you put it CRYING, yea ok. leave that little fellow alone he's erned his rite to his opinion just like most of you have erned yours. JTI |
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Posted By jtiannuzzi on 09/30/2008 12:07 PM
Let me start out saying that I dont have a dog in this fight, and can't say I agree or disagree with Jody or anybody's opinion about your rules, not that it would matter anyway. But I will say that when somone questions Jody Voyles dediction and or his commitment to what ever class he runs in I feel compeled to speak up. Jody has probably won more races then any 4 of the people who run this class although it wasn't in M/S, none the less it shows nothing but hard work and dedication. I dont mean any disrespect to Any of you but its rediculous to question his willingness to work for his success. I only know Jody from talking and seeing him at the track, and the fact that every race we raced in 2001 to 2006 he was there and damn near won them all. Not to mention reading about the 6.0 races he won that we didnt attend . Like he said he was only trying to have a discussion about REAL issues that alot of the times turn into real PROBLEMS .. Anyway I believe alot of you used to run E/Z and dropped back to M/S because you could not cut the mustard and im sure that when Ressy cup was woppen up on ya'll none of you were, as you put it CRYING, yea ok. leave that little fellow alone he's erned his rite to his opinion just like most of you have erned yours. JTI
first off we have a m/s car. our best time this year is 5.51 with the help of monty smith. if you have a problem with the #'s that are ran, seek help. maybe it's the tuner that is causing you to run the numbers your running. second is we ran the year david "reesy cup" reese was winning all those races. we didn't complain. matter of a fact don't think anyone in ez did. car count remained the same. he had a well built car that i'm sure he had to figure out. that being said. we have had the same car and engine for 3 seasons. with practice and help from fellow racers carlton thompson(chassis builder), monty smith(computer wiz), chad henderson(inspirational speaker), jason mote(decision making), troy pirez jr(4.90's) and many more, learning a lot from each, we have gone from running 5.30's to running 4.90's. picked up .40's with the same engine and same car. what does that tell ya. takes time and lots of testing.
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| Just place a claimer rule in M/S. You get beat by someone, you have to buy his motor and give him yours. That way you can win until the other guy does a little more homework and beats you with your old motor! |
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| 10/01/2008 5:34 PM |
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| Jody made legit comment, respect that. He has not bashed anyone, just voicing his opinion. The bottom line is, if this class is going to survive in ORSCA, it cannot get out of hand like the rest of the classes have. The statement in the beginning was, "ORSCA reserves the rights to make changes as needed." I will be suprised if 10 cars show up at Montgomery for this class. Why take a knife to a gun fight? Get in, get out, or get ran over! IF you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch! I can do all the above. What is being stated is why spend the money when there is no chance. The class is running a whole lot faster than thought in the beginning. Last but not least, have a good time at the race, and be safe in doing it. See you in two weeks. Close to home, low cost race this weekend! |
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adickey34
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| 10/01/2008 8:55 PM |
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Posted By ThomasB on 10/01/2008 5:34 PM
Jody made legit comment, respect that. He has not bashed anyone, just voicing his opinion. The bottom line is, if this class is going to survive in ORSCA, it cannot get out of hand like the rest of the classes have. The statement in the beginning was, "ORSCA reserves the rights to make changes as needed." I will be suprised if 10 cars show up at Montgomery for this class. Why take a knife to a gun fight? Get in, get out, or get ran over! IF you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch! I can do all the above. What is being stated is why spend the money when there is no chance. The class is running a whole lot faster than thought in the beginning. Last but not least, have a good time at the race, and be safe in doing it. See you in two weeks. Close to home, low cost race this weekend!
the only way i feel they can slow the class down is make'em run on 26x10's. but it won't be much slower. the secret is the msd7531 if ya didn't know |
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| 10/01/2008 10:06 PM |
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Posted By adickey34 on 10/01/2008 8:55 PM
Posted By ThomasB on 10/01/2008 5:34 PM
Jody made legit comment, respect that. He has not bashed anyone, just voicing his opinion. The bottom line is, if this class is going to survive in ORSCA, it cannot get out of hand like the rest of the classes have. The statement in the beginning was, "ORSCA reserves the rights to make changes as needed." I will be suprised if 10 cars show up at Montgomery for this class. Why take a knife to a gun fight? Get in, get out, or get ran over! IF you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch! I can do all the above. What is being stated is why spend the money when there is no chance. The class is running a whole lot faster than thought in the beginning. Last but not least, have a good time at the race, and be safe in doing it. See you in two weeks. Close to home, low cost race this weekend! the only way i feel they can slow the class down is make'em run on 26x10's. but it won't be much slower. the secret is the msd7531 if ya didn't know
that's what would help even the class- take away the 7531. Mine as well allow a progressive if you are going to allow that box. slow the cream of the crop down to 5.50's or so and the car count will increase. the little bit of gas that you can shoot with no box or progressive means guys with stock blocks could afford to compete and the class would go back to a budget class.
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| 10/01/2008 11:19 PM |
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| 6al box or equal, no timers, progressives, put the nos button on the steering wheel, let it eat! This will make a very interesting class that will/hopefully draw more players to the game. More affordable, it would difinitly show the cars down. |
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| 10/01/2008 11:29 PM |
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take out the msd and run a crane ignition, take away the nos brand and speed tech and makem run a zex kit with thrush mufflers and 1 5/8ths exhaust, duals that is.
what a bunch of friggin matterhorns, waaa waaa staceys faster than me, whoopty shit buy a monkey fargen mustang and put a 350 in it and spray the john wayne out of it. |
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Monte Smith
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| 10/02/2008 3:32 AM |
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Take away the 7531, that will be no problem. We don't use the slew and we don't run it on the "dots". We could do the same thing we are now with a 7AL-3 or any other type retard box. Years ago, before all these trick boxes, progressives and everything else, saavy racers always found a way to get the car down the track. It is more about getting the car to work and controlling the power than anything else.
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houston393
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| 10/02/2008 9:48 AM |
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| Lets all buy a nextel cup car drag race them that way everybody has the same junk and they all run the same times . |
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| 10/02/2008 11:41 AM |
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While we are on the subject of overspending for the class, did any of those guys ever show up with thier little cheif motors? What about all the talk before the season started about the norm would be 20's and teens? |
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YOEJOE
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| 10/02/2008 4:46 PM |
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 Wow,Over 40 applies, and 1780 hits.What a touchy subject over some rules. Like monte said: Change the rules and the same guy's will be still on top.And around around and around we go.I'm sorry but changing the rules will not increase the count. Still takes the lots of Jack$$$.The 7531 rocks but it dosnt give any advantage, just combines 3 boxes into one. Like kevin, starterd out this year running in the mid 50's now in the low 40's. only thing change is shocks, convertor. So just test test and test and you will be there too! Just a thought. |
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Steve McLemore
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| 10/04/2008 12:52 PM |
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| Yall bring a lot of cheese to Montgomery to go with all this WHINE |
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