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Im just curious to see what everones thoughts are. What is your opinion on the future of Limited Street? Is the class better now or out of control? Post your thoughts truthfully. |
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BaCarty
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| 07/14/2008 7:45 PM |
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combine it with outlaw 10.5
Thier running the same combo's most rules are writting wheelie bars in and 200lbs is easy to drop this day and age |
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| 07/14/2008 8:03 PM |
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| some of love this class and don't want it to be combined, have you ever been to a limited street race? It draws as big of crowd as 10.5 if not better.. I for one hope it continues to grow but its been out of control for a while now. |
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| 07/14/2008 8:42 PM |
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How do you feel l/s is out of control.same rules.Give any class time and they are going to speed up,thats what makes racing exciting.If not wanting to be a part index race.you have 6.00 cars with larger tires and wheelie bars.Do people go to watch a promod race if they were all running 4.50's and 60's.no.they got faster to.be glad to be a part of such a great organization.
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66turboduecels
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It started getting out of control when they started letting " BACK HALF " cars enter and every one started building them that way .
Every year chassis builders and car owners have to wonder what changes are in store for this year . You could almost just take the wheelie bars off and go run l/s
Just curious ...... what's the next move ? |
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| 07/15/2008 12:16 AM |
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| I love the class as it is now .Would have like to have seen a cap on the big bore spacing engine and kept it to factory bore spacing engines.This class has become what the old 10'5 car were before they grew to what they have become.If the engines were clamped down on earlier you may have had more cars in this class,hell I know of guys who now just stay at home due to guys with the big budgets buying the trick motor of the week and they aren't willing to spend money like that just to be able to complete for the little money it pays.But lets be honest what limited on these cars ---only the amount you are willing to spend and try to put to the ground on that baby tire and no bars .The engines aren't limited, power adders aren't limited ,but we call them limited street ,let keep it real they aren't REAL LIMITED cause the racers all ways push to go faster in any class and you all ways have the ones who will spend what ever to win and that causes the next to step up until they can't anymore .But at least maybe the cars can keep the same rules for a while and maybe that will allow guys to come race a class were they don't have to change stuff every week.I will be running limited full time next year and look forward to the callenge this class brings. |
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| 07/15/2008 6:50 AM |
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| As a fan of L/S for many years, I think it is getting out of control. I remember going to a L/S race and not being able to pick who I thought would win. All the cars were right there together. Sure the low ETs and big MPHs are great, but only a few can do it and that doesnt make it interesting for the fans. Now in a 16 car field the top qualifer has his first 3 opponents cover by .2 or more. Sure it's not their fault and I have the upmost respect for them on getting their car to run that good. It's just the class changes and technology are helping some and hindering others. One of my best friends has a L/S car. The times it runs now would have been at the top of the pack at the time he started building it. He had to build his car on a budget, all out of his pocket. He doesnt have a big fancy tow rig or even an enclosed trailer. He has an open trailer and all his stuff on back of his truck. He isnt racing to get rich, he is doing it because it's what he loves to do. Too many people now are worried about payouts and entry fees. I know it is expensive to go to the track, but it is expensive for the fans too, and without them there wouldnt be any payouts. At the next race walk through the pits and see how many L/S cars are there on an open trailer. I bet you can count them on 1 hand. This is just 1 example of the changes in L/S now from when it got started. I'm not talking trash or anything, but I got a feeling that before long that car on the open trailer will shock a few of the top guys in L/S. I'm not going to mention his name but I had to mention him because of his love of the sport and his dedication even when everything is going wrong. He is running with cars that cost twice as much as his. I know this isn't going to change anything in the class but it does show that there are a few guys working their butts of to run with these big money teams. I just hope everyone in every class stays safe the rest of the year. |
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t berry
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| 07/15/2008 7:34 AM |
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I don't think there anything wrong with the limited street you have people that set on the couch and talk about how fast they are or used to be.Then you have people that work to find that last little bit to make them that much faster to give the guy on the couch more to bitch about.
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| 07/15/2008 9:41 AM |
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| Todd You got that car ready!!! |
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t berry
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| 07/15/2008 9:59 AM |
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| Went and checked on it yesterday there is some wiring that has to be finished along with welding up the new intake.I would like to be at the track testing this weekend but i don't know if that is going to happen. |
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| 07/15/2008 10:25 AM |
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| 10-4 hope you get to the track soon!! |
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josh peel
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| 07/15/2008 10:28 AM |
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The way I see L/S is being out of control. Untill the loop wholes are filled in the rules there want be any control. The people that are building these cars have picked the rules to death finding every little thing missed. As for floor pan it states,Stock factory floor pans required to reach the rear most point of door jam,that means complete stock floor pan.As for subframe cars,. After market bolt in sub-frame allowed. Must bolt in unaltered
stock OEM mounting locations. OEM suspension configuration required.
Sub-frame must be 2''x3'' square or larger.
. Cross member may be notched for oil pan clearance,that means No rounds tubes or mustang/pinto style a-arms and spindles.
And for wheels,Wheel width may not exceed 13 inches, where most double bead lockes are 13.5. A few other things like front grilles and inner fenders,. Factory Grill and headlights required. Inner fenders are required but may be notched for header or roll bar clearance,that means no david wolfe front bumpers and all subframe cars (67-81 camaro,68-79 nova,ect) should have inner fenders.
The point is where do you draw the line. L/S is becoming another outlaw class limited to 29.5x10.5 tires. I want to see the cars get faster but over the last 2 years all the new cars that have come with all this infractions have not performed much better if any. Todd Berry has stated him self that his car worked better when it was a ladder bars car. I know safety comes first but you dont have to cut a car all to pieces to make it 25.2 or 25.5. There is a plenty of drag radial cars 25.2 and 25.5 with stock pans all the way through. I being a chassi guy know it is a lot easier to cut it out of the way and build new. That is not the way the rules were wrote. I want to ask where are the pioneers of L/S: Terry Woodson/Jody Benton,Shannon Ragdale/Bigun,Cory Bright,John I.,Brian Renfro,Bruce/Luey,K9,David Reece, just to name a few. I know some has stepped up but most have stepped out because of money for most. Why money, because the class is out of control.Everyone needs to read all these post real good and think back to what L/S use to be and where is it headed. My thoughts and opinion. |
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| 07/15/2008 12:02 PM |
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| If limited street had not advanced along with all other classes like 10.5. And Ez street their would not even be a limited street class at all. Just imagine almost any good stock suspension car today would leave the old type limited street car in a cloud of dust. If this class was like the good old days you say it would be dead now instead of the fastest growing class in orsca. But then i guess all the good old days guys would then have that to reminiss about also |
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josh peel
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| 07/15/2008 12:32 PM |
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| Im happy to see the class L/S has grone, but come on. Draw the line in the sand somewhere. When there was 15-25 cars now you only have 8-12 cars. What do you think is wrong? From $50k cars to $150k cars is one key answer. I can build whatever kind of car I want,but what about the racers that have to pay for it. Look into the future for the RACERS,not your wallet. |
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| 07/15/2008 1:54 PM |
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| Well I guess thats why orsca has 7 other classes. I would love to have a top fuel funny car. I cant aford one. What do I do call NHRA and tell them they need to change the class so I can afford it. No I build a car I can run with a budget I can live with. Their are many things in life you may never be able to have. You pick your poision and make it happen. Orsca has many great classes i would love to run. I built a 5.0 or 6.0 car with dreams of maybe one day having the means to run Limited street and then oneday progress into outlaw. If our classes are set up right then i should be able to build the same car I started with without having to build a new car every time i move up. You asked for honest opions in your post. You certain you want that well here goes. If you cant afford to run outlaw 10.5 then try Limited street if thats not right for your budget then Ez street then Modified. I think you get the picture. We happen to think orsca has a very diverse set of classes to fit many different peoples budgets. You only have to make the right choice on which one fits yours.
Next year orsca hopes to run a pro mod class. Do we now have to worry that it will not work because you don't have the budget to run it either. We are not trying to down anyone because their not as welthy as the next guy. But we have been at this long enough to know what it takes to run it. If your plans are to run top fuel on a limited street budget be prepaired to spend alot more time reminissing about the gold old days than racing. |
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josh peel
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| 07/15/2008 2:53 PM |
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| I see you have your ways set about things, so maybe you will succeed. Why not just through the rules in the garbage. Next you will allow glass front ends, because someone said it is easier to work on. And then when it is down to 8 cars at every race you will just do away with the class.How simple will that be for you then all the people that have built L/S cars want have any class to run there cars in.I will never win with what Im trying to say.A lot of other racers feel the same as me but they want come on here and talk about. They think it is a waste of time,just like Im beginning to think. |
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| 07/15/2008 2:55 PM |
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| Josh, what do you propose that ORSCA do to maintain cars in L/S? Better yet, what do you think ORSCA needs to do to maintain cars in ALL classes? And I am not calling you out, but everybody has their views on how to make things work, and I honestly think the more we talk about options for ORSCA and the more ideas the people of ORSCA get, the better it will be. |
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| 07/15/2008 3:13 PM |
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| Not a waste of time if your prioities are in the right place.
Just so we are clear on what your asking here. You want the class changed to fit a budget. What is that budget?
I am not sure what your asking here josh.
I thought you were asking for opinions in your post.
Now it seems you really want things to change in your post now?
So I have to asked do you want honest opinions or you just need someone to pat you on the back and tell you your right.
Orsca is for all its members. I can tell you truthfuly their has only been 1 other racer in limited that has said to us that the class is worse off now than it was 5 years ago.
You are welcome to revise your post and make it clear what your wanting here. I kind of see that adverse opinions may not be what your wanting to hear.
I was thinking of starting a class that fits my car to a tee. You may could be a champion in this one on a very low budget.
It's called the PUSH CLASS |
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| 07/15/2008 4:12 PM |
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| Jonny I need you to come push my truck its out of gas!!! |
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| 07/15/2008 4:57 PM |
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Its bad that a man voices an opinion and get belittled by the high up cause he speaks up.I understand what the guy is saying and so do you.You have rules and everyone reads them and then they say 'Well if its not writin you can do it,well that's how things get out of hand .I myself make good money and can spend to keep up as you like to call it but catering to a small crowd of rich guys and speaking down to smaller budget teams is the wrong thing to do.The man only ask for the rules to be enforce with no wiggle room ,nothing wrong with that .I view anyone that races as important to the sport wether he races 7os to the outlaws -each spends his money to support you and shouldn't be belittle cause his budget isn't as big as the next guy in his class he wants to run in just my opinion.But I'm bringing my couch to the track with me hehehe. |
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Posted By Avenger10'5 on 07/15/2008 4:57 PM
Its bad that a man voices an opinion and get belittled by the high up cause he speaks up.I understand what the guy is saying and so do you.You have rules and everyone reads them and then they say 'Well if its not writin you can do it,well that's how things get out of hand .I myself make good money and can spend to keep up as you like to call it but catering to a small crowd of rich guys and speaking down to smaller budget teams is the wrong thing to do.The man only ask for the rules to be enforce with no wiggle room ,nothing wrong with that .I view anyone that races as important to the sport wether he races 7os to the outlaws -each spends his money to support you and shouldn't be belittle cause his budget isn't as big as the next guy in his class he wants to run in just my opinion.But I'm bringing my couch to the track with me hehehe.
Don't forget the beer and snacks!!!!!!!
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| 07/15/2008 5:21 PM |
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Sure ,you can come to Victory lane and share a drink ,you are always weclome . |
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| 07/15/2008 5:39 PM |
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That all being said about L/S ... When are the rules going to be updated for EZ Street ( suspension ) ....like you did to L/S In recent past and with what's going on now with changes coming down the pipe .
EZ street cars are as fast as L/S and you're holding them to the suspension of a street car ( no ladder bars , a arms ect....) ! You guys are speaking of safety when are you gonig to update this long over due and start limiting the performance edge instead of the safety edge !
If you did have a L/S and could not hang with the big money, the only thing you could do would be run a bracket class !Theres no way to change to a slower class with a purpose built car
Not asking for anything .... just giving my two cents
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| 07/15/2008 6:29 PM |
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Posted By Maxxxed Out on 07/15/2008 2:55 PM
Josh, what do you propose that ORSCA do to maintain cars in L/S? Better yet, what do you think ORSCA needs to do to maintain cars in ALL classes? And I am not calling you out, but everybody has their views on how to make things work, and I honestly think the more we talk about options for ORSCA and the more ideas the people of ORSCA get, the better it will be.
Well first they have to tighten up on teching cars. Then all these cars that have infrations need to have them fixed by the next race. Enforce the rules and dont allow any muniplating the rules. I realize rules are made to be bent and broke but your not suppose to allow it.
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josh peel
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| 07/15/2008 6:31 PM |
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Posted By Avenger10'5 on 07/15/2008 4:57 PM
Its bad that a man voices an opinion and get belittled by the high up cause he speaks up.I understand what the guy is saying and so do you.You have rules and everyone reads them and then they say 'Well if its not writin you can do it,well that's how things get out of hand .I myself make good money and can spend to keep up as you like to call it but catering to a small crowd of rich guys and speaking down to smaller budget teams is the wrong thing to do.The man only ask for the rules to be enforce with no wiggle room ,nothing wrong with that .I view anyone that races as important to the sport wether he races 7os to the outlaws -each spends his money to support you and shouldn't be belittle cause his budget isn't as big as the next guy in his class he wants to run in just my opinion.But I'm bringing my couch to the track with me hehehe.
Ill bring coors light and plain lays chips. ha ha
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josh peel
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Posted By ORSCA on 07/15/2008 3:13 PM
Not a waste of time if your prioities are in the right place. Just so we are clear on what your asking here. You want the class changed to fit a budget. What is that budget? I am not sure what your asking here josh. I thought you were asking for opinions in your post. Now it seems you really want things to change in your post now? So I have to asked do you want honest opinions or you just need someone to pat you on the back and tell you your right. Orsca is for all its members. I can tell you truthfuly their has only been 1 other racer in limited that has said to us that the class is worse off now than it was 5 years ago. You are welcome to revise your post and make it clear what your wanting here. I kind of see that adverse opinions may not be what your wanting to hear. I was thinking of starting a class that fits my car to a tee. You may could be a champion in this one on a very low budget. It's called the PUSH CLASS Johnny let me ask you this. Why did you change the EZ rules to where David Reece and Tommy Brewer could not race in EZ? And Im not asking for a buget. I can afford anything you can. Im just asking you to enforce your rules.
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| 07/15/2008 7:54 PM |
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| Well maybe ORSCA needs to tighten up on the rules then. I thought you got one warning and then were asked not to come back if you could not follow the rules. I remember when Marcus Birt brought the 68 out with the humps in the quarters he was asked not to bring it back until they were gone. So why would L/S be different? I agree with sticking with rules, no matter what or who for.....but I am not anybody that matters |
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| 07/15/2008 8:52 PM |
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To me the only real difference in 10.5 and L/S is tire size and wheelie bars. Rules are made, and WILL be bent. Use them to your advantage. Pushing them until you are told to stop is nothing more than trying to get a competative edge. Everyone has an option of bending them as far as they can.
The thing you've got to remember is when you're going to a gun fight, take a GUN. Don't bring a knife. The most money doesn't always win. It is usually the money that is spent the wisest that wins.
I don't want to upset anyone but as far as nitrous vs. turbos, couldn't some of the people with these 780+ cui nitrous motors build a 600 cui turbo motor for the same or close to the same amount of money. I mean lets face it. If you can write a check for 50-$80,000 for a motor what would be another 10% for something that will be very competative.
Everybody gets to pick their weapon (combo) of choice. It aint got to be big and shiny, just tough.
In EZ street, wouldn't the cost of plumbing up intercoolers have helped offset some of the expense for anyone that wanted to run alcohol over gas.
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| 07/16/2008 12:03 AM |
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I deal in reality you keep making thse refences to broken rules. Racers and car builders push the envelope in every form of racing.
The only way to make every one of these cars fit exactly into a certain set of rules is them be all built exactly the same like Nascar does it. Nasca is no longer about the cars. Their is no ford VS chevy or chrysler like it was in the petty years. It's only about the the drivers and sponsors. ORSCA does as good a job if not better than most of keeping watch on the classes of cars they have. If you want total perfection in tech then you or no one else for that matter would come to a race only to be told to turn around and go home because your car wasn't built exactly like another racer thinks it should be.
Josh honestly when was the last time your car went through a ORSCA tech line? Do you even have a clue what goes on through an ORSCA tech line?
Looking through run sheets I am finding it very hard to find you on run sheets in ORSCA. I look through our member list and I also fail to see your name anywhere. So now we have to answer to people about our rules that don't ever race. You got on the board of your own free will no one twisted your arm you asked for opinions and when you didn't get the opinions you wanted you got offended. One thing you should learn very quickly about me is this . I have only one agenda and that has always been ORSCA and its fans and member racers. Just ask the one person who knows me better than anyone thats my wife in whom I adore. We never argue about money Kids Dogs cutting grass or anything . Execpt ORSCA she knows I will drop it all and run to ORSCA if it needs anything.
I tell ya what >
every member on this list has my phone number. I listen to them when they call. Not a single one of them on this list has ever called and stated they felt they were unfairly treated in tech or at an ORSCA event. Every car in limited went through NHRA safety tech in atlanta dragway in which we all know is one of the toughest safety tech lines on the planet and all passed. It was even stated to me by NHRA that ORSCA cars were some of the best built race cars they have seen. Our safety record speaks for its self. That doesn't point out a shabby tech to me. I take it very personal when we are told by someone that ORSCA doesn't do its job. I happen to think we are blessed with some of the best people in dragracing working for orsca. I got a great idea here . Just to get you up off the sofa and off that pecking key boad. In Valdosta you have a personal invite from ORSCA to come be our guest free of charge. You can be our Honary tech man .
You stand that line and point out all these so called nameless infraction you are so clear on. ORSCA will feed you even provide you a lounge chair at tech. No key boards allowed. I will greet you at the gate and lead you straight to tech.
What a deal HUH ?
Just say the word and I will have you on the list
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I did not reply to this post trying to get anything changed in any class. I just gave my opinion from a fan's point of view. I am not stuck in the past either. I was just giving an example of how things have changed in this class since it first began. I could care less how much money anyone spends to run this class. I dont really understand why the teams with the big money dont want to race for the biggest purse. If you are going to spend $200,000 on a LS car, why not spend a little more and run Outlaw where the purse is bigger. It is not like you would ever win enough money in either class to pay for your car, or even come close. That is just my thinking and I know that there will always be big money teams no matter what kind of racing you are doing.
I am sure that I will get some replies from some people who don't agree with what I said. Thats fine, I dont have a car in any class. I am just a fan giving my opinion. I didnt say anyone had to agree with me, but I dont need to be talked down to like I dont have any business voicing my opinion. If it wasnt for fans, there wouldnt be any ORSCA or LS. Some of the people on here should think about that before they reply to people on here. Im sure you dont care if you make someone mad and they dont come back to your races. I'm not saying I'm not going to anymore but others might not be like me. ORSCA is a great racing organiztion and put on great races. Sure there are somethings that some people could find a better way to do or handle. It would be better for their situation though. ORSCA has to find the best way to keep things equal from everyone's side. They do a pretty damn good job at it. I never said that there should be any changes made to the class. I just stated what I have seen over the past few years. |
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I want to ask where are the pioneers of L/S: Terry Woodson/Jody
Benton,Shannon Ragdale/Bigun,Cory Bright,John I.,Brian
Renfro,Bruce/Luey,K9,David Reece, just to name a few. I know some has
stepped up but most have stepped out because of money for most. Why
money, because the class is out of control.Everyone needs to read all
these post real good and think back to what L/S use to be and where is
it headed.
May be you need to read them a little closer
Maybe I can shed some light on the pioneers you speak of that are now all gone.
Terry Woodson
Sold his car when he went through a divorse. Then for the last few years drove for jody benton before stepping out.
Jody Benton is currently running the purple pig in orsca and is a current member of orsca
Shannon Ragsdale is now running outlaw 10.5 in the vett that is owned by Bigun and is currently a member of ORSCA and was at the last race of orsca in montgomery. I don't think the cost of running limited street ran them off anywhere . Have you seen the car? I believe a few more dollars have been spent on it in outlaw than when it ran Limited
Corey Bright is partnered with Jody and is the driver of the purple pig in what class??? limited street and is a current registered member of ORSCA limited street class
JOHN Iannuzzi
His car is currently at sheppard race cars being prepared to run limited street in orsca and is a current registered member of ORSCA . I believe his car number is LS 1967 if my memory is correct
Brian renfroe wrecked his car at Brainerd and completly destroyed it. Last time I spoke with brian he had taken a job with the fire department and he told me his work more than anything didnt allow him to race every weekend. he didnt have the money to rebuild a complete car. I cant see where rules played any role In Brians wrecking and destroying his car
I saw bruce in montgomery and they were racing I dont think bruce was driving not sure about that one but he is a registerd member of ORSCA
K9 still has a limited car and currently races with ORSCA a very nice white camaro . He even brought 2 cars to the atlanta race
David reese now races Pro Mod he was at the last ORSCA race in Carolina. I believe a pro mod car might carry as high a budget as a limited car does. I even heard a rumor he was looking for a EZ street Radial car now to run in ORSCA. Where are the pioneers you ask ??
about 99 % of them still racing ORSCA it seems.
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Posted By josh peel on 07/15/2008 6:37 PM Posted By ORSCA on 07/15/2008 3:13 PM
Not a waste of time if your prioities are in the right place. Just so we are clear on what your asking here. You want the class changed to fit a budget. What is that budget? I am not sure what your asking here josh. I thought you were asking for opinions in your post. Now it seems you really want things to change in your post now? So I have to asked do you want honest opinions or you just need someone to pat you on the back and tell you your right. Orsca is for all its members. I can tell you truthfuly their has only been 1 other racer in limited that has said to us that the class is worse off now than it was 5 years ago. You are welcome to revise your post and make it clear what your wanting here. I kind of see that adverse opinions may not be what your wanting to hear. I was thinking of starting a class that fits my car to a tee. You may could be a champion in this one on a very low budget. It's called the PUSH CLASS Johnny let me ask you this. Why did you change the EZ rules to where David Reece and Tommy Brewer could not race in EZ? And Im not asking for a buget. I can afford anything you can. Im just asking you to enforce your rules.
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| Jonny when is the last time you watched cars go through tech? I was in Montgomery and I broke #2 round of qualifing. When I went through tech Ray looked in my drivers side window and told me to label my on/off switch. That goes for the 3 cars ahead of me and the 2 cars behind me, all being L/S cars. You would not want me to help tech,because you would only have 2-4 cars legal.My plans are to be in SGMP running my car so maybe you can come and look at a real L/S car. Just for the record Johnny we have a 41'Whillys pro mod,92 camaro L/S,and a new 2002 camaro L/S in the making.I really feel like you or ORSCA is not going to enfoce or change anything in L/S. My new camaro will be state of the art so be looking for it.Will be seeing you. |
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Posted By josh peel on 07/15/2008 10:28 AM
The way I see L/S is being out of control. Untill the loop wholes are filled in the rules there want be any control. The people that are building these cars have picked the rules to death finding every little thing missed. As for floor pan it states,Stock factory floor pans required to reach the rear most point of door jam,that means complete stock floor pan.As for subframe cars,. After market bolt in sub-frame allowed. Must bolt in unaltered
stock OEM mounting locations. OEM suspension configuration required.
Sub-frame must be 2''x3'' square or larger.
. Cross member may be notched for oil pan clearance,that means No rounds tubes or mustang/pinto style a-arms and spindles.
And for wheels,Wheel width may not exceed 13 inches, where most double bead lockes are 13.5. A few other things like front grilles and inner fenders,. Factory Grill and headlights required. Inner fenders are required but may be notched for header or roll bar clearance,that means no david wolfe front bumpers and all subframe cars (67-81 camaro,68-79 nova,ect) should have inner fenders.
The point is where do you draw the line. L/S is becoming another outlaw class limited to 29.5x10.5 tires. I want to see the cars get faster but over the last 2 years all the new cars that have come with all this infractions have not performed much better if any. Todd Berry has stated him self that his car worked better when it was a ladder bars car. I know safety comes first but you dont have to cut a car all to pieces to make it 25.2 or 25.5. There is a plenty of drag radial cars 25.2 and 25.5 with stock pans all the way through. I being a chassi guy know it is a lot easier to cut it out of the way and build new. That is not the way the rules were wrote. I want to ask where are the pioneers of L/S: Terry Woodson/Jody Benton,Shannon Ragdale/Bigun,Cory Bright,John I.,Brian Renfro,Bruce/Luey,K9,David Reece, just to name a few. I know some has stepped up but most have stepped out because of money for most. Why money, because the class is out of control.Everyone needs to read all these post real good and think back to what L/S use to be and where is it headed. My thoughts and opinion.
Johnny one last thing. Read this post real good and then go and watch the cars go through tech. This is just a few things I have found wrong.Enforce the rules you have. |
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| Great look forward to seeing you and your real limited street car in valdosta |
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Posted By jpaulk on 07/15/2008 4:12 PM
Jonny I need you to come push my truck its out of gas!!!
Hey jeff you know that the whole country is looking for alternitive fuel sources. With that 5000 goats you have on the paulk pondarosa you should have enough goat dropers to make tons of fuel.
Convert that stuff and lets ride.
Maybe that new motor your now building for the karr killa needs to be with the latest tech Cuzz.
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| 07/16/2008 5:38 PM |
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| Johnny, Jeff stated on an earlier post that his goats brought him luck. I don't think the L/S guys want his good luck charms too involved. Don't make fun of him when you see his favorite goat hanging out in his pit. Heck if it would bring me some luck I would put a collar it and walk it to starting line for him. LOL |
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Posted By ORSCA on 07/16/2008 12:03 AM
I deal in reality you keep making thse refences to broken rules. Racers and car builders push the envelope in every form of racing.
The only way to make every one of these cars fit exactly into a certain set of rules is them be all built exactly the same like Nascar does it. Nasca is no longer about the cars. Their is no ford VS chevy or chrysler like it was in the petty years. It's only about the the drivers and sponsors. ORSCA does as good a job if not better than most of keeping watch on the classes of cars they have. If you want total perfection in tech then you or no one else for that matter would come to a race only to be told to turn around and go home because your car wasn't built exactly like another racer thinks it should be.
Josh honestly when was the last time your car went through a ORSCA tech line? Do you even have a clue what goes on through an ORSCA tech line?
Looking through run sheets I am finding it very hard to find you on run sheets in ORSCA. I look through our member list and I also fail to see your name anywhere. So now we have to answer to people about our rules that don't ever race. You got on the board of your own free will no one twisted your arm you asked for opinions and when you didn't get the opinions you wanted you got offended. One thing you should learn very quickly about me is this . I have only one agenda and that has always been ORSCA and its fans and member racers. Just ask the one person who knows me better than anyone thats my wife in whom I adore. We never argue about money Kids Dogs cutting grass or anything . Execpt ORSCA she knows I will drop it all and run to ORSCA if it needs anything.
I tell ya what >
every member on this list has my phone number. I listen to them when they call. Not a single one of them on this list has ever called and stated they felt they were unfairly treated in tech or at an ORSCA event. Every car in limited went through NHRA safety tech in atlanta dragway in which we all know is one of the toughest safety tech lines on the planet and all passed. It was even stated to me by NHRA that ORSCA cars were some of the best built race cars they have seen. Our safety record speaks for its self. That doesn't point out a shabby tech to me. I take it very personal when we are told by someone that ORSCA doesn't do its job. I happen to think we are blessed with some of the best people in dragracing working for orsca. I got a great idea here . Just to get you up off the sofa and off that pecking key boad. In Valdosta you have a personal invite from ORSCA to come be our guest free of charge. You can be our Honary tech man .
You stand that line and point out all these so called nameless infraction you are so clear on. ORSCA will feed you even provide you a lounge chair at tech. No key boards allowed. I will greet you at the gate and lead you straight to tech.
What a deal HUH ?
Just say the word and I will have you on the list
1. Chris Guthery #LS -2427
2. Jerry Gunter # LS-1969
3. Tommy Rainer # LS-78 confirmed
4. Kevin Monroe # LS-69 confirmed
5. John Brickel # LS-067 confirmed
6. Mike Duncan # LS- 6928
7. Jackie Moran # LS- 598 confirmed
8. Corey Bright # LS -28 confirmed
9. Carlton Thompson # LS-75 confirmed
10. Peyton Hibdon Jr. #LS-1968 confirmed
11. Chris Daniel # LS-71X confirmed
12. Chris Johnson # LS-1966 confirmed
13. Tommy Brewer # LS -131
14. Jeff Paulk # LS-85 confirmed
15. David Cornwell # LS-1988 confirmed
16. Eric Dillard # LS -1991 confirmed
17. Jeff Cooner #LS -101 confirmed
18. John Iannuzzi # LS -1967 confirmed
19. Keith Szabo # LS - 2930 confirmed
20. David Waits # LS- 88 confirmed
21. Mike Collins # LS- 504 confirmed
22. Shawn Walker # LS- 2006 confirmed
23. Bruce Johnson # LS - 2077 confirmed
24. Paul Otto # LS- 2004 confirmed
25. Tom Kincaid # LS - 132 confirmed
26. Darrin Hoyle #LS - 501 confirmed
27. Mike Jones # LS - 88X confirmed
28. Rich Alford #LS 418
29. Ben Rice # LS 083 confirmed
30. Alan Halbert # LS 86 confirmed
I have considered joining Orsca but must say after reading this I'm unsure maybe you can make my decision. You quote building a car like another racer thinks it should be is funny. Rules are rules and cars must be built not to exceed rules. I will say some broken rules will not effect a cars performance. You compare Nascar Tech to Orsca is just plain ridiculus. You then slam a racer that still contributed to your orginization.
It doesn't matter how good your sport works with not enough complaints in your eyes. If you are this difficult and don't have people skills forget it.
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| I personally like the way the rules are currently written for L/S because they does allow an Outlaw style car to run with smaller tires and no bars. I was one of the guys that had an "old" rules cars. It was started before the backhalf cars were allowed and we finished it the same year the rules changed. I also had one of the "old" motors (small cubic inch BBF with nitrous). Johnny will tell you that we attended quite a few of ORSCA's races with the car and tried our hand with outdated technolgy. The car did okay but never ran with the top guys but I can assure everyone that we had a blast racing with everyone and made a lot of great friends. I raced it the last couple of years at somewhat local events more because we started a family than because of the cost of racing this class or the funding. I felt like I needed to be at home more than racing a series would allow so thats what I did. I'm sure that when I was racing in ORSCA, I griped and complained about the "new" rules but never really expected anything to change just to suit my car. Instead, I decided that it would be easier and better to build a new more updated car to the current rules so thats what we are doing right now. I hope the rules stay just like they are right now so our new car will still be up to date for several more years. It's a true backhalf or 3/4 style chassis as many like to call them now. It also has a big cubic inch twin turbo motor. It still has all the inner fender structure and stock floor pans all the way to the back seat area with the floor bars being underneath the stock pans. We even mounted the intercooler in the trunk to add to the street car look as well as aiding the weight percentages front to rear. The car should be legal for both Outlaw and for L/S depending on which class we want to run at certain events. I want to run L/S in ORSCA and 10.5 at our local Outlaw races but my new partner will have the final say since the chassis actually belongs to him. I'm simply supplying the powerplant, transmission, some of the electronics, and the transporter. This team effort was how we decided to combat the increasing cost of racing these classes. Where there is a will, there is a way and even the smallest budgets will find a way to race if they want to bad enough. |
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Marshall, if your budget is small...mine must be non-existent.....wait a minute....it IS non-existent
Wish ya luck with the progress.
(why ya think I acquired the nick-name "No Show Jones"?
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